The mainstream media is gawking over testimony from Stormy Daniels and former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen former president Donald Trump’s hush money trial. But despite the media’s insistence that Cohen dropped “bombshell” revelations about Melania Trump, there’s a good reason we SHOULDN’T believe a word he says. Glenn, Pat, and Stu explain why Cohen should have lost all credibility years ago and why salacious testimony should have no place in this case. Plus, they review the telltale signs that Trump’s trials are more akin to the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine than American “democracy.”
TranscriptBelow is a rush transcript that may contain errors
GLENN: It looks like -- I mean, no pun intended, but absolutely intended. Looks like the Stormy Daniels case is a bust, in some ways. I mean, you know, it's a New York -- it's a New York jury.
But I don't know if you saw what Bill Maher said over the weekend. About, you know, how the prosecutors have blown it -- I hate.
They have screwed it. They haven't done their job very well.
And Michael Cohen took the stand yesterday, right?
PAT: Yes, yeah.
STU: And today.
PAT: And CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, seemed to take it, everything he says, as if it was gospel truth.
GLENN: I mean, he was lying before. But now he's telling the truth.
PAT: Right. Now he's honest Abe.
GLENN: I saw that. He was splitting rails on the way to the courthouse.
PAT: Yes.
GLENN: It was weird. And returning a penny.
PAT: Yes. Walked 5 miles to return a penny.
(laughter)
PAT: I mean, it's really amazing. I mean, Stormy Daniels had no credibility. This guy has no credibility. And I think Trump's lawyers have done a decent job showing that. But they're still getting bludgeoned. It's still New York.
And they have all the media on their side.
So I don't know how this will go. But if he gets past this one unscathed. Then I think it's smooth sailing for maybe the next four years. It will be a while.
GLENN: It is absolutely amazing.
You know, they started with, he's got 9,874 billion charges against him. And he's skating past them all.
PAT: Yeah. Yeah.
GLENN: They're just all falling apart.
STU: They're all at least getting delayed until after the election, which is really the only important thing at this point. He can worry about the other stuff later on. And he probably will have to worry about it later on.
GLENN: If he lost the election, every single one of these things would just go away. Just go away.
STU: Probably true. If he decided, you know what, I'm not going to run. I'm done with this nonsense.
I don't think any of these charges occur.
PAT: Yeah.
STU: It's so obviously about this particular election. And, you know, they waited for so long, for most of this stuff, to be filed. And for them to even go after it because they were waiting for him to announce he was running.
And once they announced he was running, they scampered as quickly as they could to put this together. And it's all shoddy. It's pathetic.
I mean, most of these charges against him, were charges that they had previously themselves, in this case, decided not to pursue. You know, they're tying it to -- to other crimes, that have not even. He's not even been charged with.
And they won't even identify, in the middle of the trial. And Michael Cohen is probably the most ridiculous example of this.
And we've said this at the very beginning with Michael Cohen. This is back when he was still an ally of Donald Trump. There was no reason, to believe anything that comes out of Michael Cohen's mouth. He says whatever he has to at any given moment, to benefit himself.
PAT: Yeah.
GLENN: You know what is amazing?
At least we're consistent. We didn't believe him, when he was saying good things about Donald Trump.
We don't believe him when he's saying bad things about Donald Trump. He has no credibility.
STU: Yeah. I mean, he's gone on every single side of this. Of course, at the beginning was saying, how wonderful Donald Trump was. And how perfect he was.
And he was the greatest president of all time. And blah, blah, blah, blah. Just stuff that is typical, over the top praise. And I think a lot of people missed this.
But once they had their falling out. He turned into like a resistance guy.
And to -- with the still -- the same absurd persona. Where he was like, you know, this guy, who is an Oompa Loompa. And you're going to run against him as a Democrat?
Like, I'm serious. This guy went completely insane, like beyond Keith Olbermann levels of opposition to Trump. And then when this whole buildup came up to this.
People in the media, rightly noted that that persona of, you know, he's an Oompa Loompa, is not going to work on the stand.
So now he's reworked his persona again. Is now on the stand, with this very calm, measured tone of a man just trying to get to the truth.
GLENN: He was very hurt.
STU: He was very hurt.
And his ego has been bruised. And his family. Blah, blah, blah.
How can anyone believe this? He was just on TikTok like three months ago, as a completely different human being.
PAT: Yeah.
GLENN: You know what, can we get a cut of those for tomorrow?
Let's make a compilation of how insane he went.
STU: Yeah, for sure.
PAT: We could.
STU: Pause there's plenty of stuff to choose from.
PAT: And CNN is accepting everything as if it came out of the Bible. They're talking about this bomb he dropped in court. That Donald Trump didn't care if Melania was upset about his affair with Stormy Daniels.
Because he wouldn't be on the market for very long.
GLENN: I don't believe that.
PAT: Now you buy that? They certainly do. CNN is all over it. MSNBC is all over it.
GLENN: I've always thought Donald Trump was a guy who was like, hey, baby. And maybe he is, I don't know.
But with Melania, I think he really respects her. I really do.
PAT: Yeah.
GLENN: I think it bothers him, when people don't show her the respect that she deserves. And I think she's -- she's no dummy. She's absolutely no dummy.
PAT: No. She's not.
STU: No. But, I mean, look, I hope their relationship thrives. It's got nothing to do with this case.
PAT: Me too. No.
STU: It has absolutely nothing to do with what we're supposed to be talking about. Their relationship is between them. Right?
This is -- this is a case about business records. This is a case about business -- it has nothing to do with whether Donald Trump cares about his wife or not. It has nothing to do with that. It might be important to us or them. It has nothing to do with this case.
And they keep pushing it down this road.
GLENN: Because he has such problems with, you know, suburban women, that's why they're doing this.
It has nothing to do with the actual case of money.
The -- the -- I'm if we saying the New York jury is going to find him guilty. No matter what it was. But they're making this so salacious, because they're hurting him with women.
They're trying to make him look into just an absolute pig. So they hurt him even more with women. This is all political.
We are living in the former Soviet Union, in many ways. When it comes to the media and our court system on Donald Trump. That's exactly what's happening.
STU: Do you think, Glenn, there's a snapback effect to this, if he is able to somehow get through these charges, and not be convicted by a New York jury?
GLENN: How do you mean a snap back?
STU: Like we've been talking for a lopping time. At least the media has. If he's convicted of a felony. There's a certain percentage of people, who will not vote for him.
And that shows up in polls.
I don't know that you could take it seriously, honestly.
I don't think people correctly predict their emotions in a moment like that.
But take it for what it's worth.
That's what everyone has been saying.
And, you know, the idea here, obviously, is to hurt Donald Trump with all these charges.
Make him look like a felon. Make him look like this terrible criminal.
STU: If now -- you know, after being told, there's 11 billion charges coming his way. If they can't get one conviction before the election, does this snap back against them and turn into a massive positive, for Donald Trump, electorally?
GLENN: I don't think so.
If they find him not guilty on this, then I think there might be.
STU: Yeah.
GLENN: You know, it's interesting to me, more than a snapback, it's interesting to me, you're not hearing. At least I'm not hearing. Maybe they're saying it. But I don't listen to them. So what do I know?
I haven't heard a big movement on how he has conned the courts. He's done all kinds of illegal or unethical maneuvers to get things delayed.
I haven't heard that. I think people just know, this isn't working. This is all a sham. And it's not working for them. And the -- it will just be neutral. It just won't matter.
PAT: We went through some of the numbers yesterday. And it certainly looks like, at least in the swing states, this is -- this is working in his favor. Right now. Like he's gaining sympathy.
GLENN: Can I tell you? I heard this morning, they say he fell asleep during the court.
PAT: Uh-huh.
GLENN: And he said he didn't. I think he should have said, yes. What? There's nothing happening here. I took a nap.
(laughter)
STU: I mean, it pushes I think against his sleepy Joe criticism.
Which is why supposedly he -- he likes the idea. He's the high energy guy. And everything. Which we all know. And I think is true.
But I would be bored out of my mind.
GLENN: Oh, that's what I mean, though.
He is high energy.
He has been attentive on all of this stuff.
I think he could have used that as, do you know what's going on?
I don't have to worry about it. I was a little tired because I was out, you know, campaigning.
And I was doing this. And doing this. And I had nothing else to do. I could have made origami. But I decided just to take a nap.
PAT: I think that would be a smart move right now. Because Biden is trying to use the falling asleep in court. He's the worst. He's calling him sleepy Don now.
GLENN: That's so clever.
PAT: Isn't it? Isn't it? Yeah. Because Donald has called him sleepy Joe. So he's done it back. Can you believe it? All creative and clever.